After reading my posts, my wife insisted that I revisit some of them.

My wife insists that people who do not share our religious perspective on the world nevertheless often have similar basic morals to us. I still cannot explain how this is.

It is ironic that I have had my eyes opened to this after visiting the web sight of an organisation where I thought I would find like minded people. I have always found it difficult to seek out and accept points of view different to my own. Perhaps there is some Christian insight to be gained in even those things we may be offended by.

However, I cannot accept your view that the difference between the Old and the New Testament are due to the advancing morality of man. Surely they are God’s words and are a literal translation, not an interpretation. It seems to me that if you take this view then a more “modern” morality could supersede the teachings of The Bible.

My wife has also informed me that our own Church has a number of homosexual members, all of whom are (according to her) very loving and valuable members. I am utterly dismayed and I will have to pray some more tomorrow (or should I say later today) for guidance.

I do not know how I could have been blind to my wife’s change of heart. I thought we were one on the subject of the basic immorality of homosexual behaviour. She tells me that she changed her mind after a great kindness was shown to her by someone who she later learned was not only homosexual, but aware of our position on them and their lifestyle. She felt she could not share this with me, but did so tonight.

I find that I have to search my faith deeply as I value my wife’s insight, but I still maintain that homosexuality is very very wrong.

Yours in Christ

Bob

With respect, you are missing the point entirely. That the Bible has moral lessons is not in any doubt. That it provides ethical guidance that has enriched society is without question. However, there are other sources of ethical thought which complement that foundation. To ignore them is, at best, teaching ignorance. For example, the progress made from the Old Testament view of slavery, forced marriage and womens’ value and place in society, are for a large part, the products of the furtherance of ethical philosophy on valuing individuals – the Golden Rule, if you like, developed. But it wouldn’t have happened if ethics were frozen in a literalist interpretation of the Bible.

And, pardon me, for someone who is presumably familiar with the teachings of Jesus about loving others, as he loved us, the suggestion that homosexuals “aren’t human” is morally repugnant.

So I am a supporter of both SRE for those that wish to participate, and for additional contemplation of ethical dilemmas in our schools. Teaching young minds to think from multiple perspectives on the nature and consequences of their decisions and actions is good preparation for the world outside of school.

I truly do not wish to get into an argument with you, and so this will be my final note on the subject.

K.

Bob

I am sad if you do not realise that much of secular ethics is based a vast amount of deeply-considered ethical dilemmas. I am not disputing that the Bible provides a set of ethical principles, but to ignore the contribution that millennia of philosophical evaluation have added is, frankly, a little naive.

I suggest that providing children with additional ethical guidance can only make for a better society. If, as adults, they choose to act within acceptable societal boundaries, does it matter (to others in society) whether it was because of SRE or additional ethical discussions?

K.

I don’t believe ethical knowledge comes from within. It is something that is learned, or as the case may be, not learned.

But it doesn’t have to come from God either, even if that’s where it originated. If God made it the case that it is wrong to commit murder, then teaching kids that it’s wrong to murder is teaching them good values, even if God is not mentioned.

I think the separation of ethics from religious narrative would be a good thing. In loosing children from SRE, you are not depriving children of ethical education, you are losing an opportunity to teach then the religious narrative.

As for “undermining the word of God” answer this Bob: Is murder (for example) wrong because God made it so, or is murder inherently wrong, and God let us know the truth of this matter?

Is your position the ludicrous one that people gain ethics from within, that it is some sort of innate conscience we all have?

If you countenance secular ethics classes then you are actively undermining the word of God.

It is the word of God that started civilisation as we know it.

Yours in Christ

Bob

Please fix the link to the email instructions as I wish to email our politicians about this dreadful situation.

“Why is SRE simply not made compulsory for all school children?”

Simply because it would be quite offensive to parents holding other religious beliefs (or no religious beliefs) to have the State (yes, the State) push Christianity onto their children. Try to imagine yourself in their position.

I have no issue with SRE for those that wish their children to participate, but compulsory participation is, frankly, intolerance.

K.

In fact, if you accept the argument that all morality and ethical standards are ultimately grounded in God, then you would think that the SRE offers better ethical education than the ethics classes. There is no need to reschedule them, your children are better off without them. If you don’t believe that, then you urgently need to re-examine how your religious education is imparting ethics & morals into your children.

We live in a pluralist society. Atheists & agnostics have a place in this society and deserve this option as much as you have the right to the SRE classes. If SRE has a place in schools, then so does non-religious ethical education.

Surely it is even more important to those who have no faith than it is for those of strong faith in Christ.

If we cannot get to children when they are open to such new ideas, their minds may remain forever closed to us.

Please ACL, I looked for your assistance, as I wanted to say that I had heeded your call, but my computer says that I am the 404th person not to find this page. There are people waiting to help. Please don’t let us down.

Yours in Christ
B Whidn